The think-tank level of both LiST and EDRM are essential if we are to move forward. I agree with Jonathan Maas that neither excludes the other and both add not just to the debate but to the practical advance, particularly if suppliers join in. What matters as much (not more, but as much) is the message to the users and their clients. Proposed technical standards and sharp-looking acronyms tend to obscure two messages – what they can (and should) be doing NOW and that what matters most is thinking through the process whatever technical wizardry is or will be available. Both Jonathan Maas and George Socha of EDRM emphasise this message repeatedly. Chris Dale www.chrisdalelawyersupport.co.uk http://chrisdale.wordpress.com